As a white man who grew up in New Zealand, I have an outsider’s fascination with your life as a student dissident. What was it like to do something you loved, which was also a criminal activity that could have put you in prison?
My dedication to film was total. I had no doubt that watching and sharing films was exactly what I wanted to do. There was an element of excitement and danger in it that was thrilling. My earliest memory of watching a film was my father taking me to see [the 1961 Biblical epic] Barabbas. The scene of Anthony Quinn coming out of the dungeon into the light and seeing Jesus was very liberating for me.
I created a parallel religion of cinema, which was the alternative to a state-based religious ideology of the most extreme and destructive kind. It also gave me a sense of power, because I was the one who had access to show these films. Perhaps I wanted to be a bit of a legend in my own time by doing this, either consciously or subconsciously.
In the film, you comment on the fragility of celluloid, which becomes a metaphor for the brevity of human life.
I’m interested in how cinema captures time, and how the history of cinema is inevitably tied to the question of decay. The first line I recorded for the film was, “This film is going to vanish in the next few decades.” My producers were scandalized, and asked me to say, “This film could vanish!” That said, I take great comfort in knowing that this film will vanish. By giving up on the treasure, I have come to accept that nothing is fixed and the endings could be as beautiful as the beginnings of things.
The film is also a testament to human resilience and this need we have as humans to understand ourselves through art, which can’t be repressed even by a government. Is that too romantic an interpretation?
No, I agree with you. The whole idea of interpretation within a totalitarian state is an act of rebellion. Actually, what the [Iranian] censors didn’t realize was that it’s not the film itself that does the “damage” to this rigid system—it’s the dialogue and the conversation about the film, and people seeing other realities during your conversation.